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Before I'm accused of being part of a conspiracy of silence, let me state that I believe, whether you are the lowliest Deacon or the Pope himself, if you are accused you should answer, if you are guilty you should be punished.
That said, Catholic bashing for the sake of it or using this for Catholic bashing for the sake of it, to paint one billion people world wide as wicked and hiding something because of their religion does no one any good and will not bring us any closer to the truth of the matter nor help for the victims or punishment for the evil.
The Pope may or may not have known what was going on and I say he still needs to answer that. Jump to conclusions if you wish but does the CEO of every large multinational corporation know what every one of his accountants is doing? And does he get involved in that persons firing?
That's all I have to say. And if that's not good enough for you, tough.
Newsmax:
Pope Blasts Irish Bishops, Orders Vatican Probe
Saturday, 20 Mar 2010
VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI rebuked Irish bishops Saturday for "grave errors of judgment" in handling clerical sex abuse and ordered a Vatican investigation into the Irish church to wipe out the scourge.
In a letter to the Irish faithful read across Europe amid a growing, multination abuse scandal, the pope did not mention any Vatican responsibility. And he doled out no specific punishments to bishops blamed by victims and Irish government-ordered investigations for having covered up years of abuse.
The letter directly addressed only Ireland but the Vatican said it could be read as applying to other countries. Hundreds of new allegations of abuse which have recently come to light across Europe, including in the pope's native Germany.
"You have suffered grievously and I am truly sorry," Benedict said, addressing himself to the generations of Irish Catholics who suffered "sinful and criminal" abuse at the hands of priests, brothers and nuns.
"It is understandable that you find it hard to forgive or be reconciled with the church," he said. "In her name, I openly express the shame and remorse that we all feel."
Benedict used his harshest words for the abusers themselves, saying they had betrayed the trust of the faithful, brought shame on the church and now must answer before God and civil authorities.
"Conceal nothing," he exhorted them. "Openly acknowledge your guilt, submit yourselves to the demands of justice, but do not despair of God's mercy."
Benedict faulted their superiors, the Irish bishops, for having failed "sometimes grievously" to apply the church's own law which calls for harsh punishments for child abusers, including defrocking them.
But he didn't rebuke them specifically for having failed to report cases of abuse to police, saying only that serious mistakes were made and that now they must "continue to cooperate with civil authorities."
"I recognize how difficult it was to grasp the extent and complexity of the problem, to obtain reliable information and to make the right decisions in the light of conflicting expert advice," Benedict wrote.
"Nevertheless, it must be admitted that grave errors of judgment were made and failures of leadership occurred. And this has seriously undermined your credibility and effectiveness."
While the letter doled out no punishment for the bishops, the pope did order a Vatican investigation into some diocese, seminaries and religious orders. Such a move is undertaken only when Rome considers a local church unable to deal with a problem on its own. The Vatican ordered such an "apostolic visitation" into U.S. seminaries after the U.S. clerical sex abuse scandal exploded in 2002.
The results of the Irish investigation could lead to further action.
In the letter, the pope said merely that while bishops committed errors in the past, the church's leadership had already begun to remedy past mistakes.
Victims have been demanding that bishops resign, and three Irish bishops have offered to step down. Benedict hasn't accepted the resignations.
Asked why there were no punitive provisions contained in the letter, Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi noted that the letter was pastoral, not administrative or disciplinary in nature, and that any further measures concerning resignations would be taken by the competent Vatican offices.
Three Irish government-ordered investigations published from 2005 to 2009 have documented how thousands of Irish children suffered rape, molestation and other abuse by priests in their parishes and by nuns and brothers in boarding schools and orphanages. Irish bishops did not report a single case to police until 1996 after victims began to sue the church.
The reports have faulted Rome for sending confusing messages to the Irish church about norms to be followed and, in general, for what it called the absence of an incoherent set of canon laws and rules to apply in cases of abuse.
In particular, the so-called Murphy report faulted a 2001 letter penned by then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger instructing bishops around the world to report all cases of abuse to his office and keep them under pontifical secret. Irish bishops, at the very least, have said the letter was widely misunderstood to mean they shouldn't report the cases to police.
Subsequently, reports emerged last week that while he was archbishop of Munich, Ratzinger approved therapy for a priest suspected of molesting boys. The priest was then transferred to a job where he later abused more children. He was convicted in a criminal trial. The archdiocese has said Ratzinger's then vicar general took full responsibility for the transfer.
Lombardi defended Benedict in his handling of the global abuse scandal and said anyone who knows the pontiff's background and history would know he has been a "witness for coherence and correctness" in confronting abuse and a "guide to overcome a past of silence."
The letter is "clearly also a message to us in Germany," Archbishop Robert Zollitsch, the head of the German Bishops Conference, said in a statement response to the pope's letter.
"I am grateful for his words. We know that mistakes were made also here in Germany. We must not repeat these mistakes and we also need a thorough investigation and unlimited transparency in Germany. We are working on this in all of our dioceses. The sexual abuse scandal in Ireland is not just an Irish problem, it is the scandal of the church in many places, it is the scandal of the church in Germany."
Lombardi was peppered with questions about why the German-born pope didn't directly address the German scandal or take the opportunity of the letter to make a more sweeping commentary on the now-global dimensions of the scandal.
Lombardi acknowledged the other cases but said the Irish scandal was unique in its scope and in what the Vatican has already done, noting that the pontiff last month met with Ireland's bishops. But he said that obviously issues in the letter could be read to apply to other countries and individuals.
"You can't talk about the entire world every time," he said. "It risks becoming banal."
For those who would minimize the importance of the Irish letter, Lombardi said: "There has never been a letter like this."
As the reports have multiplied in recent weeks, many church authorities have noted that child sexual abuse is not unique to the Catholic Church, and they have defended the church's prevention strategies taken to combat it as effective.
But Benedict said it wasn't enough to argue that abuse is widespread in society at large. He said the Irish church must now address the problem that has occurred in the Irish Catholic community "and to do so with courage and determination."
"The church is taking its full responsibility," Lombardi said.
The seven-page letter was divided into sections directed at particular groups: the victims, their parents, their abusers, the bishops and the Irish faithful as a whole. Addressing himself first to the victims, Benedict said he understood that nothing he could say could undo their pain. He equated their wounds with those of Christ, and said he hoped that they find the courage to find faith.
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At least one writer for Catholic press out of the Vatican is now saying that Pope Benedict XVI has no intention of backing down from his call for dialogue. This after another Vatican insider reportedly said that the Pope's reference to a dialogue...
Green Energy
Before I'm accused of being part of a conspiracy of silence, let me state that I believe, whether you are the lowliest Deacon or the Pope himself, if you are accused you should answer, if you are guilty you should be punished.
That said, Catholic bashing for the sake of it or using this for Catholic bashing for the sake of it, to paint one billion people world wide as wicked and hiding something because of their religion does no one any good and will not bring us any closer to the truth of the matter nor help for the victims or punishment for the evil.
The Pope may or may not have known what was going on and I say he still needs to answer that. Jump to conclusions if you wish but does the CEO of every large multinational corporation know what every one of his accountants is doing? And does he get involved in that persons firing?
That's all I have to say. And if that's not good enough for you, tough.
Newsmax:
Pope Blasts Irish Bishops, Orders Vatican Probe
Saturday, 20 Mar 2010
VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI rebuked Irish bishops Saturday for "grave errors of judgment" in handling clerical sex abuse and ordered a Vatican investigation into the Irish church to wipe out the scourge.
In a letter to the Irish faithful read across Europe amid a growing, multination abuse scandal, the pope did not mention any Vatican responsibility. And he doled out no specific punishments to bishops blamed by victims and Irish government-ordered investigations for having covered up years of abuse.
The letter directly addressed only Ireland but the Vatican said it could be read as applying to other countries. Hundreds of new allegations of abuse which have recently come to light across Europe, including in the pope's native Germany.
"You have suffered grievously and I am truly sorry," Benedict said, addressing himself to the generations of Irish Catholics who suffered "sinful and criminal" abuse at the hands of priests, brothers and nuns.
"It is understandable that you find it hard to forgive or be reconciled with the church," he said. "In her name, I openly express the shame and remorse that we all feel."
Benedict used his harshest words for the abusers themselves, saying they had betrayed the trust of the faithful, brought shame on the church and now must answer before God and civil authorities.
"Conceal nothing," he exhorted them. "Openly acknowledge your guilt, submit yourselves to the demands of justice, but do not despair of God's mercy."
Benedict faulted their superiors, the Irish bishops, for having failed "sometimes grievously" to apply the church's own law which calls for harsh punishments for child abusers, including defrocking them.
But he didn't rebuke them specifically for having failed to report cases of abuse to police, saying only that serious mistakes were made and that now they must "continue to cooperate with civil authorities."
"I recognize how difficult it was to grasp the extent and complexity of the problem, to obtain reliable information and to make the right decisions in the light of conflicting expert advice," Benedict wrote.
"Nevertheless, it must be admitted that grave errors of judgment were made and failures of leadership occurred. And this has seriously undermined your credibility and effectiveness."
While the letter doled out no punishment for the bishops, the pope did order a Vatican investigation into some diocese, seminaries and religious orders. Such a move is undertaken only when Rome considers a local church unable to deal with a problem on its own. The Vatican ordered such an "apostolic visitation" into U.S. seminaries after the U.S. clerical sex abuse scandal exploded in 2002.
The results of the Irish investigation could lead to further action.
In the letter, the pope said merely that while bishops committed errors in the past, the church's leadership had already begun to remedy past mistakes.
Victims have been demanding that bishops resign, and three Irish bishops have offered to step down. Benedict hasn't accepted the resignations.
Asked why there were no punitive provisions contained in the letter, Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi noted that the letter was pastoral, not administrative or disciplinary in nature, and that any further measures concerning resignations would be taken by the competent Vatican offices.
Three Irish government-ordered investigations published from 2005 to 2009 have documented how thousands of Irish children suffered rape, molestation and other abuse by priests in their parishes and by nuns and brothers in boarding schools and orphanages. Irish bishops did not report a single case to police until 1996 after victims began to sue the church.
The reports have faulted Rome for sending confusing messages to the Irish church about norms to be followed and, in general, for what it called the absence of an incoherent set of canon laws and rules to apply in cases of abuse.
In particular, the so-called Murphy report faulted a 2001 letter penned by then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger instructing bishops around the world to report all cases of abuse to his office and keep them under pontifical secret. Irish bishops, at the very least, have said the letter was widely misunderstood to mean they shouldn't report the cases to police.
Subsequently, reports emerged last week that while he was archbishop of Munich, Ratzinger approved therapy for a priest suspected of molesting boys. The priest was then transferred to a job where he later abused more children. He was convicted in a criminal trial. The archdiocese has said Ratzinger's then vicar general took full responsibility for the transfer.
Lombardi defended Benedict in his handling of the global abuse scandal and said anyone who knows the pontiff's background and history would know he has been a "witness for coherence and correctness" in confronting abuse and a "guide to overcome a past of silence."
The letter is "clearly also a message to us in Germany," Archbishop Robert Zollitsch, the head of the German Bishops Conference, said in a statement response to the pope's letter.
"I am grateful for his words. We know that mistakes were made also here in Germany. We must not repeat these mistakes and we also need a thorough investigation and unlimited transparency in Germany. We are working on this in all of our dioceses. The sexual abuse scandal in Ireland is not just an Irish problem, it is the scandal of the church in many places, it is the scandal of the church in Germany."
Lombardi was peppered with questions about why the German-born pope didn't directly address the German scandal or take the opportunity of the letter to make a more sweeping commentary on the now-global dimensions of the scandal.
Lombardi acknowledged the other cases but said the Irish scandal was unique in its scope and in what the Vatican has already done, noting that the pontiff last month met with Ireland's bishops. But he said that obviously issues in the letter could be read to apply to other countries and individuals.
"You can't talk about the entire world every time," he said. "It risks becoming banal."
For those who would minimize the importance of the Irish letter, Lombardi said: "There has never been a letter like this."
As the reports have multiplied in recent weeks, many church authorities have noted that child sexual abuse is not unique to the Catholic Church, and they have defended the church's prevention strategies taken to combat it as effective.
But Benedict said it wasn't enough to argue that abuse is widespread in society at large. He said the Irish church must now address the problem that has occurred in the Irish Catholic community "and to do so with courage and determination."
"The church is taking its full responsibility," Lombardi said.
The seven-page letter was divided into sections directed at particular groups: the victims, their parents, their abusers, the bishops and the Irish faithful as a whole. Addressing himself first to the victims, Benedict said he understood that nothing he could say could undo their pain. He equated their wounds with those of Christ, and said he hoped that they find the courage to find faith.
- Last Refuge Of Scoundrels
(update at bottom) This is devastating. Anti-Catholics everywhere are gleefully rubbing their hands. There is serious blood in the water. But if the allegations I began hearing about yesterday are true – and it will take a damn sight more than just...
- Vatican: "the Land That Was The Cradle Of Christianity Risks Ending Up Without Christians"
From Jihad Watch: True: Many forget that the Middle East was indeed, particularly Egypt and Syria, the "cradle of Christianity" and played a major role in the articulation of Christian theology and the concept of monasticism. So what happened? Basically,...
- Pope: We Should Have Googled Williamson
Yeah, maybe, huh? From CNN: (CNN) -- The pope has admitted making mistakes over the lifting of the excommunication of a Holocaust-denying bishop, saying the church will make much greater use of the Internet in the future to help avoid such controversies.In...
- Pope Rehabilitates Holocaust Denier
UPDATED AT BOTTOM OF POST This is idiocy. The Pope has crossed a line here, and my respect for him has been downgraded. From Reuters: VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict Saturday rehabilitated a traditionalist bishop who denies the Holocaust, despite...
- From Vatican Reporter:
At least one writer for Catholic press out of the Vatican is now saying that Pope Benedict XVI has no intention of backing down from his call for dialogue. This after another Vatican insider reportedly said that the Pope's reference to a dialogue...