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Ok, so he doesn't come out and say exactly that. But there is enough innuendo and insinuation in here to know The Tea Party movement has them scared to the point they will try to frighten the American public.
Clinton says he is not trying to discourage debate, just ask that we moderate our tone.
Well, we got your fucking moderated tone right here, buddy.
And why is it no public official on either side felt compelled to make these statements when Bush was under attack for 8 years?
So here's a question for everyone. Let's make it an unofficial poll in comments.
How many of you believe we will actually make it to the November elections? How many of you believe there will be an incident, either real or manufactured, that will give Obama justification (in his mind) to impose martial law and suspend elections?
And how many of you believe the American Public would stand for that?
New York Times:
Recalling ’95 Bombing, Clinton Sees Parallels
By CARL HULSE
WASHINGTON — With the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing approaching, former President Bill Clinton on Thursday drew parallels between the antigovernment tone that preceded that devastating attack and the political tumult of today, saying government critics must be mindful that angry words can stir violent actions (paging Mr. Jefferson, paging Mr. Adams).
In advance of a symposium on Friday about the attack on the Oklahoma City federal building and its current relevance, Mr. Clinton, who was in his first term at the time of the bombing, warned that attempts to incite opposition by demonizing the government can provoke responses beyond what political figures intend.
“There can be real consequences when what you say animates people who do things you would never do,” Mr. Clinton said in an interview, saying that Timothy McVeigh, who carried out the Oklahoma City bombing, and those who assisted him, “were profoundly alienated, disconnected people who bought into this militant antigovernment line.” (so now we need to mind our words because some unstable individual may act violently on them? How about minding the unstable individuals instead?)
The former president said the potential for stirring a violent response might be even greater now with the reach of the Internet and other common ways of communication that did not exist on April 19, 1995, when the building was struck.
“Because of the Internet, there is this vast echo chamber and our advocacy reaches into corners that never would have been possible before,” said Mr. Clinton, (so, we're not just shooting the messenger now, but also burning the paper the message was written on) who said political messages are now able to reach those who are both “serious and seriously disturbed.” He will be delivering the keynote address Friday at an event about the Oklahoma City attack being sponsored by the Center for American Progress Action Fund and the Democratic Leadership Council.
Mr. Clinton pointed to remarks like those made Thursday by Representative Michele Bachmann, the Minnesota Republican, who when speaking at a Tea Party rally in Washington characterized the Obama administration and Democratic Congress as “the gangster government.”
“They are not gangsters,” Mr. Clinton said. “They were elected. They are not doing anything they were not elected to do.” (bullshit. if they were doing what they were elected to do they would not be in the dire polling straits they are and there would be no Tea Party)
The pitched attacks by some Republicans and conservatives during the health care fight have drawn criticism as incendiary as have the use of terms and imagery like the placing of target cross hairs over the districts of vulnerable Democrats who backed health care. (at least they aren't placing the crosshairs over the candidates themselves, as was oft done to the previous administration)
Over the weekend of the health care vote, Congressional Democrats reported being subjected to racial and sexual slurs as they walked to the Capitol to vote (again bullshit and a setup by Pelosi and her crones) . Recently, at least three people have been arrested on charges of making threats of violence against members of Congress of both parties (against BOTH parties. How about that?!) , and Congressional offices have been vandalized.
In response to the criticism, several conservative leaders say reports of threats, intimidation and violence are being overblown or were not true and were instead part of an effort to vilify and silence critics of the Democratic Congress and Obama administration.
In her remarks Thursday, Ms. Bachmann made light of the suggestion that antigovernment activists were angry.
“You look happy to me, you don’t look angry,” she told the crowd. “That’s because you get it. You are smart enough to get off your couch and do something.”
Mr. Clinton said his intent was not to stifle debate or muzzle critics of the government but to encourage them to consider what repercussions could follow. He acknowledged that drawing the line between acceptable discourse and that which goes too far is difficult but that lawmakers and other officials should try.
“Have at it,” he said. “You can attack the politics. Criticize their policies. Don’t demonize them, and don’t say things that will encourage violent opposition.”
In the period before the Oklahoma City bombing, there was a growing antigovernment sentiment being expressed through a militia movement and anger at government officials, some of it in the wake of the assault on the Branch Davidian Compound in Waco, Tex., on April 19, 1993. Mr. Clinton recalls that he and his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, were characterized by Newt Gingrich, then the Republican Congressional leader, as the enemies of ordinary Americans.
In a May 1995 commencement speech at Michigan State University, Mr. Clinton talked about the bombing and the role he believed efforts to portray the government and its workers as a threat played in the attack.
“It is one thing to believe we are over-regulated and to work to lessen the burden of regulation,” he said at the time. “It is quite another to slander our dedicated public servants, our brave police officers, even our rescue workers, who have been called a hostile army of occupation.”
After the bombing, Mr. Clinton said he chose to no longer even use the term federal bureaucrat because he believed it had become a term used to demean and dehumanize federal workers.
Mr. Clinton said the impact of political attacks could be dangerously amplified at the moment because of the economic upheaval that had left many Americans frightened and suffering. “A lot of people are just raw,” he said.
He called America a nation born out of protests, and said that he had no interest in reducing productive civic dialogue.
“This is about holding our country together and having these debates,” he said. “The Republicans will have their chance in November.”
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Ya'll mind your manners now, y'hear?
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Timothy McVeigh was a Teabagger! Who Knew?!
Ok, so he doesn't come out and say exactly that. But there is enough innuendo and insinuation in here to know The Tea Party movement has them scared to the point they will try to frighten the American public.
Clinton says he is not trying to discourage debate, just ask that we moderate our tone.
Well, we got your fucking moderated tone right here, buddy.
And why is it no public official on either side felt compelled to make these statements when Bush was under attack for 8 years?
So here's a question for everyone. Let's make it an unofficial poll in comments.
How many of you believe we will actually make it to the November elections? How many of you believe there will be an incident, either real or manufactured, that will give Obama justification (in his mind) to impose martial law and suspend elections?
And how many of you believe the American Public would stand for that?
New York Times:
Recalling ’95 Bombing, Clinton Sees Parallels
By CARL HULSE
WASHINGTON — With the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing approaching, former President Bill Clinton on Thursday drew parallels between the antigovernment tone that preceded that devastating attack and the political tumult of today, saying government critics must be mindful that angry words can stir violent actions (paging Mr. Jefferson, paging Mr. Adams).
In advance of a symposium on Friday about the attack on the Oklahoma City federal building and its current relevance, Mr. Clinton, who was in his first term at the time of the bombing, warned that attempts to incite opposition by demonizing the government can provoke responses beyond what political figures intend.
“There can be real consequences when what you say animates people who do things you would never do,” Mr. Clinton said in an interview, saying that Timothy McVeigh, who carried out the Oklahoma City bombing, and those who assisted him, “were profoundly alienated, disconnected people who bought into this militant antigovernment line.” (so now we need to mind our words because some unstable individual may act violently on them? How about minding the unstable individuals instead?)
The former president said the potential for stirring a violent response might be even greater now with the reach of the Internet and other common ways of communication that did not exist on April 19, 1995, when the building was struck.
“Because of the Internet, there is this vast echo chamber and our advocacy reaches into corners that never would have been possible before,” said Mr. Clinton, (so, we're not just shooting the messenger now, but also burning the paper the message was written on) who said political messages are now able to reach those who are both “serious and seriously disturbed.” He will be delivering the keynote address Friday at an event about the Oklahoma City attack being sponsored by the Center for American Progress Action Fund and the Democratic Leadership Council.
Mr. Clinton pointed to remarks like those made Thursday by Representative Michele Bachmann, the Minnesota Republican, who when speaking at a Tea Party rally in Washington characterized the Obama administration and Democratic Congress as “the gangster government.”
“They are not gangsters,” Mr. Clinton said. “They were elected. They are not doing anything they were not elected to do.” (bullshit. if they were doing what they were elected to do they would not be in the dire polling straits they are and there would be no Tea Party)
The pitched attacks by some Republicans and conservatives during the health care fight have drawn criticism as incendiary as have the use of terms and imagery like the placing of target cross hairs over the districts of vulnerable Democrats who backed health care. (at least they aren't placing the crosshairs over the candidates themselves, as was oft done to the previous administration)
Over the weekend of the health care vote, Congressional Democrats reported being subjected to racial and sexual slurs as they walked to the Capitol to vote (again bullshit and a setup by Pelosi and her crones) . Recently, at least three people have been arrested on charges of making threats of violence against members of Congress of both parties (against BOTH parties. How about that?!) , and Congressional offices have been vandalized.
In response to the criticism, several conservative leaders say reports of threats, intimidation and violence are being overblown or were not true and were instead part of an effort to vilify and silence critics of the Democratic Congress and Obama administration.
In her remarks Thursday, Ms. Bachmann made light of the suggestion that antigovernment activists were angry.
“You look happy to me, you don’t look angry,” she told the crowd. “That’s because you get it. You are smart enough to get off your couch and do something.”
Mr. Clinton said his intent was not to stifle debate or muzzle critics of the government but to encourage them to consider what repercussions could follow. He acknowledged that drawing the line between acceptable discourse and that which goes too far is difficult but that lawmakers and other officials should try.
“Have at it,” he said. “You can attack the politics. Criticize their policies. Don’t demonize them, and don’t say things that will encourage violent opposition.”
In the period before the Oklahoma City bombing, there was a growing antigovernment sentiment being expressed through a militia movement and anger at government officials, some of it in the wake of the assault on the Branch Davidian Compound in Waco, Tex., on April 19, 1993. Mr. Clinton recalls that he and his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, were characterized by Newt Gingrich, then the Republican Congressional leader, as the enemies of ordinary Americans.
In a May 1995 commencement speech at Michigan State University, Mr. Clinton talked about the bombing and the role he believed efforts to portray the government and its workers as a threat played in the attack.
“It is one thing to believe we are over-regulated and to work to lessen the burden of regulation,” he said at the time. “It is quite another to slander our dedicated public servants, our brave police officers, even our rescue workers, who have been called a hostile army of occupation.”
After the bombing, Mr. Clinton said he chose to no longer even use the term federal bureaucrat because he believed it had become a term used to demean and dehumanize federal workers.
Mr. Clinton said the impact of political attacks could be dangerously amplified at the moment because of the economic upheaval that had left many Americans frightened and suffering. “A lot of people are just raw,” he said.
He called America a nation born out of protests, and said that he had no interest in reducing productive civic dialogue.
“This is about holding our country together and having these debates,” he said. “The Republicans will have their chance in November.”
===========================================
Ya'll mind your manners now, y'hear?
- Third Terrorist (al-husseini) In Oklahoma City Bombing Arrested In Quincy, Massachusettes
From the Patriot Ledger: QUINCY —The author of a book on the Oklahoma City bombing says a homeless man arrested in Quincy on Wednes day is the same man identified by several witnesses to the bombing as having been with Timothy...
-
One veteran Democratic operative, who blames overheated rhetoric for the shooting, said President Barack Obama should carefully but forcefully do what his predecessor did. “They need to deftly pin this on the tea partiers,” said the Democrat. “Just...
- The Liberal/left‘s Ventriloquist Dummy
Guest Commentary by Edward Cline: Former President Bill Clinton revealed his totalitarian bent during an interview with ABC’s Jake Tapper on April 17, when he linked Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing of a federal building in 1995 with current...
- Pot. Kettle. Black.
MinnPost: Dems slam Bachmann over rhetoric, warn of extremism By Derek Wallbank Published Wed, Apr 14 2010 7:16 am WASHINGTON — Democrats, including Rep. Betty McCollum, launched into an assault on incivility Tuesday, saying incendiary words from members...
- If This Is True, She Is Out Of Her Mind
Clinton says she's open to being Obama's VP WASHINGTON (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton has told congressional colleagues she would be open to becoming Barack Obama's vice presidential nominee, saying she would consider it if it would...