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They will never learn. Never understand.
I have the same gun Loughner used in his attack. A Glock 19. (ok, mine's a Glock 23. Exact same gun chambered for a bit bigger round) A very common high quality pistol. I also have high capacity mags. It's standard mags come with 15 rounds. Standard.
Same gun, different people. The evil is not in the gun but in the hand that holds it.
And Gabrielle Giffords, herself a gun owner and (from what I've read) a Second Amendment supporter, would herself probably be against this.
The ability to buy a weapon that fires hundreds of bullets in less than a minute,” said Quigley. “He had an additional magazine capability. That’s not what a hunter needs. That’s not what someone needs to defend their home. That’s what you use to hunt people.”
Sorry, folks, it would take a very highly trained person to fire hundreds of rounds through a Glock 19 in less than a minute. It is not an automatic weapon. It is semiautomatic. That means 1 trigger pull, 1 round. The high capacity mags are not "for hunting people" -- they're damned difficult to carry concealed -- but mostly for practice at the range without having to reload as often. And it's a damn ninny who thinks a Glock 19 is used for hunting anyway.
no one should be able to buy stockpiles of ammunition used by the 22-year-old assailant.
um -- I have in excess of 10,000 rounds in my home right now. Many different calibers. You see it on sale, especially at a gun show, and you buy in quantity. Especially after the scarcity of a few years ago.
high-capacity ammunition clips
ok, petty annoyance here. There magazines, not clips. A clip in firearms speak is something entirely different.
a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official
And just who defines seen as threatening or violent?
“I don’t want to give the NRA – excuse the pun – the ammunition to come at me either.”
Yeah, good luck with that, shithead. Pardon the pun yourself but you just put yourself in their crosshairs.
Go after the criminals, not the guns.
Politico:
McCarthy readies gun control bill
By: Shira Toeplitz
January 9, 2011 05:57 PM EST
One of the fiercest gun-control advocates in Congress, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday targeting the high-capacity ammunition the gunman used.
McCarthy ran for Congress after her husband was gunned down and her son seriously injured in a shooting in 1993 on a Long Island commuter train.
“My staff is working on looking at the different legislation fixes that we might be able to do and we might be able to introduce as early as tomorrow,” McCarthy told POLITICO in a Sunday afternoon phone interview.
Gun control activists cried it was time to reform weapons laws in the United States, almost immediately after a gunman killed six and injured 14 more, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in Arizona on Saturday.
Many said that people with a history of mental instability, like the alleged shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, should not be able to buy a gun — and no one should be able to buy stockpiles of ammunition used by the 22-year-old assailant.
McCarthy said she plans to confer with House Speaker John Boehner and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to see “if we can work something through” in the coming week.
McCarthy’s spokesman confirmed the legislation will target the high-capacity ammunition clips the Arizona gunman allegedly used in the shooting, but neither he or the congresswoman offered any further details.
“Again, we need to look at how this is going to work, to protect people, certainly citizens, and we have to look at what I can pass,” McCarthy said. “I don’t want to give the NRA – excuse the pun – the ammunition to come at me either.”
Pennsylvania Rep. Robert Brady, a Democrat from Philadelphia, told CNN that he also plans to take legislative action. He will introduce a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official, including a member of Congress.
Another vocal supporter for gun control, Illinois Rep. Mike Quigley, told POLITICO that he hopes “something good” can come from the Arizona tragedy – perhaps discussion on a new assault weapon ban, sales at gun shows and tracing measures.
Loughner legally purchased his weapon – a Glock 19 with an extended magazine – from an Arizona store. The same kind of extended magazine was illegal under the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.
“The ability to buy a weapon that fires hundreds of bullets in less than a minute,” said Quigley. “He had an additional magazine capability. That’s not what a hunter needs. That’s not what someone needs to defend their home. That’s what you use to hunt people.”
After the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007, in which a student with a history of psychological problems killed 33 and injured 25 others, lawmakers immediately started looking at gun control reforms both in the state and atthe federal level.
Then-Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine issued an executive order making it harder for people who have been committed to mental health treatment centers to buy a gun.
In 2008 President George W. Bush signed a law expanding the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which registered gun dealers use, to include more comprehensive reporting of mental health records. Under the current law, it is illegal for anyone who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution” to purchase a firearm, according to the FBI’s website.
However, Loughner did not fall into either of those categories, according to Josh Horwitz, the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.
“I’ve seen no evidence that he falls into those categories. It’s the same thing as this guy at Virginia Tech,” said Horwitz. “We can do a much better job checking people’s mental health background.”
- The Guns Are Not The Problem. Coloradans Agree
The Blaze: Gun Sales, Gun Classes in Colo. Skyrocket After ‘Dark Knight’ Shooting Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:49am by Erica Ritz Just days after the horrifying events in Aurora, Colorado — where at least twelve people were killed and dozens more...
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Dear Brady Campaign, Boy, you guys sure are dumb. There is no such thing as an "assault clip". This is a term you made up. What you are depicting here is a high capacity magazine. A magazine, not a clip. Maybe you thought magazine was not a scary enough...
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LOUGHNER POSED WITH GLOCK IN A G-STRING: I BLAME PALIN!This is not a joke. He really did. NYTIMES: Law enforcement officials said Friday they have multiple photos of Jared L. Loughner posing with a Glock 9mm pistol next to his naked buttocks and dressed...
- Breaking
note: Fox TV is reporting betyween 12 and 19 others were also shot, as many as 5 already dead, but nothing confirmed yet. Newsmax: Rep. Giffords Shot in Arizona; Gunman Held Saturday, 08 Jan 2011 03:08 PM TUCSON, Ariz. – Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of...
- "cop Killer" Weapon
I hate that phrase. Used by anti-gunners everywhere. MSNBC (and others, I suppose) is reporting that Nidal Hasan used a legally purchased FN 5.7 during his rampage yesterday. They also report that he was carrying a very old .357 magnum but appears not...
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That Took a Little Longer Than I Expected
They will never learn. Never understand.
I have the same gun Loughner used in his attack. A Glock 19. (ok, mine's a Glock 23. Exact same gun chambered for a bit bigger round) A very common high quality pistol. I also have high capacity mags. It's standard mags come with 15 rounds. Standard.
Same gun, different people. The evil is not in the gun but in the hand that holds it.
And Gabrielle Giffords, herself a gun owner and (from what I've read) a Second Amendment supporter, would herself probably be against this.
The ability to buy a weapon that fires hundreds of bullets in less than a minute,” said Quigley. “He had an additional magazine capability. That’s not what a hunter needs. That’s not what someone needs to defend their home. That’s what you use to hunt people.”
Sorry, folks, it would take a very highly trained person to fire hundreds of rounds through a Glock 19 in less than a minute. It is not an automatic weapon. It is semiautomatic. That means 1 trigger pull, 1 round. The high capacity mags are not "for hunting people" -- they're damned difficult to carry concealed -- but mostly for practice at the range without having to reload as often. And it's a damn ninny who thinks a Glock 19 is used for hunting anyway.
no one should be able to buy stockpiles of ammunition used by the 22-year-old assailant.
um -- I have in excess of 10,000 rounds in my home right now. Many different calibers. You see it on sale, especially at a gun show, and you buy in quantity. Especially after the scarcity of a few years ago.
high-capacity ammunition clips
ok, petty annoyance here. There magazines, not clips. A clip in firearms speak is something entirely different.
a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official
And just who defines seen as threatening or violent?
“I don’t want to give the NRA – excuse the pun – the ammunition to come at me either.”
Yeah, good luck with that, shithead. Pardon the pun yourself but you just put yourself in their crosshairs.
Go after the criminals, not the guns.
Politico:
McCarthy readies gun control bill
By: Shira Toeplitz
January 9, 2011 05:57 PM EST
One of the fiercest gun-control advocates in Congress, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday targeting the high-capacity ammunition the gunman used.
McCarthy ran for Congress after her husband was gunned down and her son seriously injured in a shooting in 1993 on a Long Island commuter train.
“My staff is working on looking at the different legislation fixes that we might be able to do and we might be able to introduce as early as tomorrow,” McCarthy told POLITICO in a Sunday afternoon phone interview.
Gun control activists cried it was time to reform weapons laws in the United States, almost immediately after a gunman killed six and injured 14 more, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in Arizona on Saturday.
Many said that people with a history of mental instability, like the alleged shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, should not be able to buy a gun — and no one should be able to buy stockpiles of ammunition used by the 22-year-old assailant.
McCarthy said she plans to confer with House Speaker John Boehner and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to see “if we can work something through” in the coming week.
McCarthy’s spokesman confirmed the legislation will target the high-capacity ammunition clips the Arizona gunman allegedly used in the shooting, but neither he or the congresswoman offered any further details.
“Again, we need to look at how this is going to work, to protect people, certainly citizens, and we have to look at what I can pass,” McCarthy said. “I don’t want to give the NRA – excuse the pun – the ammunition to come at me either.”
Pennsylvania Rep. Robert Brady, a Democrat from Philadelphia, told CNN that he also plans to take legislative action. He will introduce a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official, including a member of Congress.
Another vocal supporter for gun control, Illinois Rep. Mike Quigley, told POLITICO that he hopes “something good” can come from the Arizona tragedy – perhaps discussion on a new assault weapon ban, sales at gun shows and tracing measures.
Loughner legally purchased his weapon – a Glock 19 with an extended magazine – from an Arizona store. The same kind of extended magazine was illegal under the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.
“The ability to buy a weapon that fires hundreds of bullets in less than a minute,” said Quigley. “He had an additional magazine capability. That’s not what a hunter needs. That’s not what someone needs to defend their home. That’s what you use to hunt people.”
After the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007, in which a student with a history of psychological problems killed 33 and injured 25 others, lawmakers immediately started looking at gun control reforms both in the state and atthe federal level.
Then-Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine issued an executive order making it harder for people who have been committed to mental health treatment centers to buy a gun.
In 2008 President George W. Bush signed a law expanding the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which registered gun dealers use, to include more comprehensive reporting of mental health records. Under the current law, it is illegal for anyone who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution” to purchase a firearm, according to the FBI’s website.
However, Loughner did not fall into either of those categories, according to Josh Horwitz, the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.
“I’ve seen no evidence that he falls into those categories. It’s the same thing as this guy at Virginia Tech,” said Horwitz. “We can do a much better job checking people’s mental health background.”
- The Guns Are Not The Problem. Coloradans Agree
The Blaze: Gun Sales, Gun Classes in Colo. Skyrocket After ‘Dark Knight’ Shooting Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:49am by Erica Ritz Just days after the horrifying events in Aurora, Colorado — where at least twelve people were killed and dozens more...
-
Dear Brady Campaign, Boy, you guys sure are dumb. There is no such thing as an "assault clip". This is a term you made up. What you are depicting here is a high capacity magazine. A magazine, not a clip. Maybe you thought magazine was not a scary enough...
-
LOUGHNER POSED WITH GLOCK IN A G-STRING: I BLAME PALIN!This is not a joke. He really did. NYTIMES: Law enforcement officials said Friday they have multiple photos of Jared L. Loughner posing with a Glock 9mm pistol next to his naked buttocks and dressed...
- Breaking
note: Fox TV is reporting betyween 12 and 19 others were also shot, as many as 5 already dead, but nothing confirmed yet. Newsmax: Rep. Giffords Shot in Arizona; Gunman Held Saturday, 08 Jan 2011 03:08 PM TUCSON, Ariz. – Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of...
- "cop Killer" Weapon
I hate that phrase. Used by anti-gunners everywhere. MSNBC (and others, I suppose) is reporting that Nidal Hasan used a legally purchased FN 5.7 during his rampage yesterday. They also report that he was carrying a very old .357 magnum but appears not...